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megaTEN ([personal profile] tenshinoakuma) wrote2009-03-15 08:16 pm

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Okay so. This has bugged me for a while about group logs, but man whenever I do them, I always feel like I'm third wheeling someone. I guess this kind of arises from my tendency to fixate so I kind of find it hard to give all the characters involved in a group log equal attention. And half the time I just. don't know what to say to the other one? IDKKK I just feel kind of bad about it.

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Alright, so we all probably know about that one gender-swap RP that's ass. But it (and the resulting rants and rage over it) kind of made me think about my own concept of gender.

What does it mean to identify as male or female? Is there actually any difference between identifying as one or the other? Can't you identify as both, or neither?

Basically what I'm trying to say is, I don't get it.

Talk to me about what you think gender means, f-list! / ; A;/

[identity profile] meta.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
........

you know this canon right

otherwise this icon makes no sense

[identity profile] tenshinoakuma.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
......




i know what you've told me about it. i still haven't read it because i forgot all about it.

[identity profile] meta.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
w-well it's a pretty good time killer if you're bored

[identity profile] meta.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
anyway i just found that genderswap RP that i think you're talking about

icon says all

[identity profile] meta.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
actually this also works i love es21

[identity profile] tenshinoakuma.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
OKAY HOW THE HELL DO YOU FIND THESE THINGS ANYWAY give me your google-fu








Although I suppose that RP wasn't actually that hard to find.

bb, forgive me for commenting with a muse journal /buried in tags

[identity profile] adarkerlily.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
@Group logs: YYYYYYYY it's very difficult. I try to imagine them as just... conversations with a group of friends, but sometimes conversational flow is really awkward. :/ Though it might help if you focus on just the topic of conversation instead of obligating yourself to reply to what everyone else is saying?

And, re: gender -- I got nothin'. Right now, that is, since I'm a little brain-dead. I'll try to think of something, though!

it's okay bb. 90% of my comments to non F-locked journals are done with Joshua

[identity profile] tenshinoakuma.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
ahhh it's sorta like. hmmm sometimes you don't get to react to something you normally would? Sometimes that happens with normal 1 on 1 interactions too, but in group logs, sometimes too much happens and you sorta... miss your chance? Granted that's not something that's happening to me now, but just thinking back to my few group logs before, that's kind of how I felt. And then there's the whole posting order thing too, which is useful, but then sometimes a character doesn't really have much to add to it, and then I kind of feel like ass for holding up the log just to say blah blah I'm listening yeah :| I IMAGINE YOU HAVE THAT PROBLEM WITH UNI?

XDDD I guess I should spam people with Aizen more often

[identity profile] miir.livejournal.com 2009-03-16 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, exactly. The cycle is hard to keep up with. It's a little easier if you're logging with close friends, though, since you're all usually chatting anyway and you can mix up the order any way you like. AND... AHAHA YES ALL THE TIME. IT'S SUCH A PAIN GETTING HER TO SPEAK.

/follows in Mia's footsteps

[identity profile] pharaohking.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 11:25 am (UTC)(link)
I think gender is nothing but a society-generated term. When people say they don't feel like a girl or a boy... it's because they don't feel like what society deems acceptable as what a boy or should should be or do or feel. So "gender" is really... just a word we throw around without really knowing what it means. It's like asking what "race" is. Or "ethnicity".

SO YEAHHHHHH

[identity profile] tenshinoakuma.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 11:51 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm well I used to feel that I didn't feel like a girl, but these days I don't don't feel like a girl or boy (does that make sense?). Except when someone explicitly brings it up, which is almost never now. I find it pretty hard to feel as outraged and wanting equality over the more subtle signs of living in a patriarchal society mostly because it just. doesn't really register that I'm supposed to be female? I almost envy the people who can say with confidence "I am a guy" or "I am a girl" and live that, you know?

But at the same time as wanting equality, I feel there's going to be a difference because idk. To me, male and female are the same, and different as well. I guess if people want equality between the genders, they're going to have to start redefining how they view gender? To me it was never about womens' rights, but peoples' rights.

idkkk it's kind of like. Here are all of society's labels, and here is me. Who's in it, but not understanding how they affect anything. Or rather, why they even should D:a

/rambling

[identity profile] chibi-scriber.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Mmmm. Dunno if I'm the best person to answer this--I was the one running around as a child wishing she was genderless (still do, honestly) but here's my try.

The fixation of gender doesn't really seem to be about..well...gender itself, so much as our world's love for categories and nice, simple, boxes. I mean look at sexuality. It too is a very complex thing, and there are people out there who don't really label themselves as heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, or any of the many other labels out there because it really is a nebulous thing. When you can't give anyone a definitive answer on that, though, they get really uncomfortable or nervous for some reason.

Same thing goes with religion, race, subcultures etc. Gender is another way to define people, to get to know who they are, or at least who they are suppose to be. People like that, and they especially like that it's something that is less of a choice for others, and so they definitely have to act in these sorts of ways, and so we know a little more about them and what they are like.

Of course this is all complete bullshit, but I can't help but feel that a lot of people buy into that. Over so many years it has become a sort of comfort zone, and in our days it is being incredibly uprooted and challenge (particularly by the intersex community) but it's a very slow process.

[identity profile] tenshinoakuma.livejournal.com 2009-03-17 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
I guess looking at people who are 'searching', trying to figure out which category they should be belonging in, it's a little hard to tell that maybe we shouldn't be even looking at the categories in the first place. When I read about people 'finding themselves', it seems to me that people finally decide in what direction (what box) they want to be?

Maybe we shouldn't be looking at which box we should fit into, but maybe take the parts that we want of what's in the box.

[identity profile] rizumcbutt.livejournal.com 2009-03-15 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
i have. so many thoughts on gender. my friend and i literally just sit around and discuss things like this over thai food. :|

SO WHY CAN'T I THINK OF ANY OF THEM RIGHT NOW

[identity profile] tenshinoakuma.livejournal.com 2009-03-17 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
BECAUSE.

YOU SUCK.