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tenshinoakuma) wrote2009-10-19 09:52 am
tenshinoakuma) wrote2009-10-19 09:52 am
lol DMW 25
HI THIS IS A OH GOD I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON WITH TOTO IN DMW POST.
One of the biggest issues I'm having with apping Toto is that the canon isn't finished yet. There's just this annoying, niggling feeling at the back of my head that canon may fuck me over any time. Thiiis is probably why I don't app from anything other than 'completed' canons sigh. To a certain extent, I know how to deal with this in an AU game like![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
theskytides, at least when it comes to personality; Toto's personality seems pretty clear now. But the AU history part is going to be a bit argh ! The way I'm thinking of solving it is using some laser guided amnesia to cover the (many) bits and pieces of his history that we don't know. But, I'm also going to have to forcibly remove him from the AU version of DMW, and that's likely going to have to use some laser guided amnesia too, or else he's going to want to return to DMW.
IDK, currently in canon his primary interests seem to be in Ganta and Shiro, who are in DMW. Ganta blew an opportunity to escape DMW because he wants to find the Red Man. Shiro didn't escape either because she wants to stay with Ganta. Would Toto be interested enough in Ganta and Shiro that if they left, he'd leave DMW behind? Right now there isn't much (apparent) reason for Toto's stalkings other than to observe Ganta and Shiro's movements. Why? Because they are his new toys? Because he's (currently) weak, so he's observing rather than being in the action himself? Because he wants to see the beautiful dichotomy of Ganta and Shiro and the Wretched Egg's relationship himself?
Also, as a side thought, in the light of DMW 25, holy fuck this means he killed Hibana without any blood abilities to use, if Crow Claw is the only thing he can use. I suspected this when I read DMW 24, but it's still a surprise, since before DMW 24 I thought he had more stolen abilities than just the Crow Claw.
Back to Toto's stalkings, I get the feeling it's primarily the first and the last one. But, at the same time, I believe there's still some kind of possessive attachment to the other Deadmen. So, having Ganta and Shiro break off from the other Deadmen (in the sense that they leave DMW; later chapters, Ganta splits off from the other Deadmen. Or rather, they reject him) would be something Toto DOES NOT WANT imo. His interactions with Ganta and Shiro could be intepreted as manipulation/re... re. damn what's the word? reaffirmation? no. SOMETHING. PRECAUTION. into getting them to stay in DMW, but I feel like I might be reaching regarding that. Now, by taking him out of DMW, if his memories are intact, I think, ultimately, the only way to keep him out is to have varying amounts of the Deadmen he's interested in NOT BE IN DMW. Ganta and/or Shiro would prooobably be a major factor in that, and getting Ganta to leave DMW (assuming a Ganta that's post Red Man) would probably require a rumour that the Red Man's outside DMW. (Actually, why did he stay when he could've escaped anyway? I think by that time he acknowledged that Tamaki was probably pulling him along with the (fake?) promises of seeing the Red Man in the Carnival Corpse? Though Toto came along and gave Ganta the impression Toto personally knows the Red Man SO!) TBH, I'd rather have as little impact on the apps of potential DMW appers to TST through my history, and, to be honest, if Ganta left DMW, Toto's unlikely to lose sight of him, but that's what's probably going to happen since LOOOL I'm the only DMW potential apper atm.
BAH, in short, I'll probably stick with memory loss to cover the parts of canon I have NFI what's going on yet, and probably as a way of changing his territory from DMW to whatever crew he ends up with if I end up apping.
THEN there's the complication of "...Well, I'm only in this body for the moment" and "But I was reset once..." HGNH What is this supposed to mean? Combined with earlier, "...Interesting. So you lived? The winner of the Carnival Corpse two years ago... The only Deadman ever able to stand against the Wretched Egg..."
Did Toto disappear because of the Carnival Corpse two years ago, or was it shortly after, when he started acting funny? Was his 'reset' because of that Carnival Corpse? It sort of implies that the Carnival Corpse two years ago was the Wretched Egg vs Mockingbird, though judging from words alone, that's not necessarily the case. Still, both Shiro and Toto have scars everywhere, so maybe it was because of that Carnival Corpse..? Then again, Tamaki says Mockingbird was the winner. There are two ways I'm interpreting this. 1) That Mockingbird really was the winner against the Wretched Egg, which gave Toto the reputation of the strongest Deadman. But something about the fight, or after, or something caused his disappearance? And 'disappearances' in DMW are treated like death? 2) that Carnival Corpse actually wasn't against the Wretched Egg, but they fought later? But then again, Tamaki probably wouldn't have remembered it if it wasn't significant. HGNHH OKAY I AM DONE I CAN'T BE BOTHERED THINKING ANYMORE AND I HAVE A TEST IN 20 MINUTES.
I feel kind of bad that I didn't end up apping totheoregontrail though, baw. I ended up changing my mind and wanted to app Bidoof there instead of Toto, but I got sidetracked, and now that DMW 25's come out... haaah I don't think I'll be poking around there :<
Edit: Continuation of the brain dump! The way Toto's words are phrased "...Well, I'm only in this body for the moment" kind of suggests that this isn't the body he had back when he was 'strong', but hmmm idk, might just be a way of reiterating what he's said in previous chapters, that currently he's very weak. And the other Deadmen who remember him (Senji, Choplin/Chaplin (I really need to get his name checked, huh), that person from Scar Chain) seem to recognise him on sight. So unless he hung around before he disappeared, I don't think he's actually had a bodyswap?
Actually. huh. A bodyswap would kind of explain the mixing up of gendered 'I's in earlier chapters. /lol there is much Wild Mass guessing here today :|
Random side thought. Toto seems to treat affection like cooties, despite throwing around a lot of 'love'. Dunno, seems to be just as much as a declaration of possession, really.
It's implied from Tamaki's words that Toto was gone for about 2 years, just what the hell had he been doing all that time, I wonder? ninjaing the vents to find information? hngh how will he act in a situation where he doesn't have the upper hand? Or that he doesn't know a lot about? I'm running through possible options on how to introduce him into TST, and I keep on thinking of him being a long time stowaway on board a ship, which is somewhat reminiscient of how i regard him in canon prior to his more formal introduction in DMW 24. But, of course, it's going to be a different situation; the people he'd reveal himself to would hardly be the sort to, like, welcome him and recognise him. The attacking might still be there, though. It'd be kind of hilarious if he was always a passenger, and just kind of ceiling'd for a good amount of time in game, but of course, that doesn't quite work. I could go the more ordinary route, and sign him on board a ship, but it doesn't feel... right? Maybe a little bit of both? Maybe stowaway for quite a long time, before revealing himself and getting a position? But then there's considerations on whether captains would even accept that kind of thing hahaha but at least I can talk through that if I don't think of anything else.
And... well, once again this is where I bitch about canon, about how it doesn't give me much outside of Shiro and Ganta to work with. Their influencing factor is everywhere, and there really is very, very little about anyone else. IDK, maybe I'd go for the kiddish facade with hints of crazy in the background, though that's a lot easier to pull of with logs, methinks. I don't even know how willing Toto is to touch technology. He seems to favour 'strength' of (natural, for a given value of natural) body rather than artificial technology. I foresee logs being his primary source of interaction. But then, I wonder, what will it take for the crazy to be explicitly shown? like, a lot of interaction in TST is likely to be something somewhat similar to the beginning of the party in chapter 24. Which makes me a little wary, because it is a side we don't see much in canon, but it's also a side I can't avoid just because of the nature of the game and the nature of the characters, and I know I'm going to be worried about showing too much of what is, essentially, headcanon if I do end up playing him. Will I end up making him too kiddish? is a worry, because there's this very beautiful balance of cuteness and creepy that canon has without being overtly either.
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OKAY let's have some short Atsuro thoughts. I meant to get these down when I finished his ending, and I might as well get them down while I sort of remember what I thought, just with less references.
Atsuro sseems to have surprisingly low self-confidence, despite everything he says, which is probably why he gets lead around so much in every ending (that I've played anyway) other than his own.
Atsuro, despite often being the one to voice negative possibilities, also seems to have great faith in people ! He still has a rather realistic view, but seems to still believe in them, yup yup !
Also has a(nother) silly side he doesn't show to IRL friends, imo.
Doesn't care that Naoya dicked them around lots, he still is ultimately Atsuro's teacher, and I think Atsuro is really grateful! He certainly doesn't show much sign of hostility, and doesn't seem to feel betrayed by Naoya. He definitely started taking off the rose-coloured glasses. HNGHH I love Atsuro's ending. Really shows how much the 7 days let him grow.
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One of the biggest issues I'm having with apping Toto is that the canon isn't finished yet. There's just this annoying, niggling feeling at the back of my head that canon may fuck me over any time. Thiiis is probably why I don't app from anything other than 'completed' canons sigh. To a certain extent, I know how to deal with this in an AU game like
theskytides, at least when it comes to personality; Toto's personality seems pretty clear now. But the AU history part is going to be a bit argh ! The way I'm thinking of solving it is using some laser guided amnesia to cover the (many) bits and pieces of his history that we don't know. But, I'm also going to have to forcibly remove him from the AU version of DMW, and that's likely going to have to use some laser guided amnesia too, or else he's going to want to return to DMW.IDK, currently in canon his primary interests seem to be in Ganta and Shiro, who are in DMW. Ganta blew an opportunity to escape DMW because he wants to find the Red Man. Shiro didn't escape either because she wants to stay with Ganta. Would Toto be interested enough in Ganta and Shiro that if they left, he'd leave DMW behind? Right now there isn't much (apparent) reason for Toto's stalkings other than to observe Ganta and Shiro's movements. Why? Because they are his new toys? Because he's (currently) weak, so he's observing rather than being in the action himself? Because he wants to see the beautiful dichotomy of Ganta and Shiro and the Wretched Egg's relationship himself?
Also, as a side thought, in the light of DMW 25, holy fuck this means he killed Hibana without any blood abilities to use, if Crow Claw is the only thing he can use. I suspected this when I read DMW 24, but it's still a surprise, since before DMW 24 I thought he had more stolen abilities than just the Crow Claw.
Back to Toto's stalkings, I get the feeling it's primarily the first and the last one. But, at the same time, I believe there's still some kind of possessive attachment to the other Deadmen. So, having Ganta and Shiro break off from the other Deadmen (in the sense that they leave DMW; later chapters, Ganta splits off from the other Deadmen. Or rather, they reject him) would be something Toto DOES NOT WANT imo. His interactions with Ganta and Shiro could be intepreted as manipulation/re... re. damn what's the word? reaffirmation? no. SOMETHING. PRECAUTION. into getting them to stay in DMW, but I feel like I might be reaching regarding that. Now, by taking him out of DMW, if his memories are intact, I think, ultimately, the only way to keep him out is to have varying amounts of the Deadmen he's interested in NOT BE IN DMW. Ganta and/or Shiro would prooobably be a major factor in that, and getting Ganta to leave DMW (assuming a Ganta that's post Red Man) would probably require a rumour that the Red Man's outside DMW. (Actually, why did he stay when he could've escaped anyway? I think by that time he acknowledged that Tamaki was probably pulling him along with the (fake?) promises of seeing the Red Man in the Carnival Corpse? Though Toto came along and gave Ganta the impression Toto personally knows the Red Man SO!) TBH, I'd rather have as little impact on the apps of potential DMW appers to TST through my history, and, to be honest, if Ganta left DMW, Toto's unlikely to lose sight of him, but that's what's probably going to happen since LOOOL I'm the only DMW potential apper atm.
BAH, in short, I'll probably stick with memory loss to cover the parts of canon I have NFI what's going on yet, and probably as a way of changing his territory from DMW to whatever crew he ends up with if I end up apping.
THEN there's the complication of "...Well, I'm only in this body for the moment" and "But I was reset once..." HGNH What is this supposed to mean? Combined with earlier, "...Interesting. So you lived? The winner of the Carnival Corpse two years ago... The only Deadman ever able to stand against the Wretched Egg..."
Did Toto disappear because of the Carnival Corpse two years ago, or was it shortly after, when he started acting funny? Was his 'reset' because of that Carnival Corpse? It sort of implies that the Carnival Corpse two years ago was the Wretched Egg vs Mockingbird, though judging from words alone, that's not necessarily the case. Still, both Shiro and Toto have scars everywhere, so maybe it was because of that Carnival Corpse..? Then again, Tamaki says Mockingbird was the winner. There are two ways I'm interpreting this. 1) That Mockingbird really was the winner against the Wretched Egg, which gave Toto the reputation of the strongest Deadman. But something about the fight, or after, or something caused his disappearance? And 'disappearances' in DMW are treated like death? 2) that Carnival Corpse actually wasn't against the Wretched Egg, but they fought later? But then again, Tamaki probably wouldn't have remembered it if it wasn't significant. HGNHH OKAY I AM DONE I CAN'T BE BOTHERED THINKING ANYMORE AND I HAVE A TEST IN 20 MINUTES.
I feel kind of bad that I didn't end up apping to
theoregontrail though, baw. I ended up changing my mind and wanted to app Bidoof there instead of Toto, but I got sidetracked, and now that DMW 25's come out... haaah I don't think I'll be poking around there :<Edit: Continuation of the brain dump! The way Toto's words are phrased "...Well, I'm only in this body for the moment" kind of suggests that this isn't the body he had back when he was 'strong', but hmmm idk, might just be a way of reiterating what he's said in previous chapters, that currently he's very weak. And the other Deadmen who remember him (Senji, Choplin/Chaplin (I really need to get his name checked, huh), that person from Scar Chain) seem to recognise him on sight. So unless he hung around before he disappeared, I don't think he's actually had a bodyswap?
Actually. huh. A bodyswap would kind of explain the mixing up of gendered 'I's in earlier chapters. /lol there is much Wild Mass guessing here today :|
Random side thought. Toto seems to treat affection like cooties, despite throwing around a lot of 'love'. Dunno, seems to be just as much as a declaration of possession, really.
It's implied from Tamaki's words that Toto was gone for about 2 years, just what the hell had he been doing all that time, I wonder? ninjaing the vents to find information? hngh how will he act in a situation where he doesn't have the upper hand? Or that he doesn't know a lot about? I'm running through possible options on how to introduce him into TST, and I keep on thinking of him being a long time stowaway on board a ship, which is somewhat reminiscient of how i regard him in canon prior to his more formal introduction in DMW 24. But, of course, it's going to be a different situation; the people he'd reveal himself to would hardly be the sort to, like, welcome him and recognise him. The attacking might still be there, though. It'd be kind of hilarious if he was always a passenger, and just kind of ceiling'd for a good amount of time in game, but of course, that doesn't quite work. I could go the more ordinary route, and sign him on board a ship, but it doesn't feel... right? Maybe a little bit of both? Maybe stowaway for quite a long time, before revealing himself and getting a position? But then there's considerations on whether captains would even accept that kind of thing hahaha but at least I can talk through that if I don't think of anything else.
And... well, once again this is where I bitch about canon, about how it doesn't give me much outside of Shiro and Ganta to work with. Their influencing factor is everywhere, and there really is very, very little about anyone else. IDK, maybe I'd go for the kiddish facade with hints of crazy in the background, though that's a lot easier to pull of with logs, methinks. I don't even know how willing Toto is to touch technology. He seems to favour 'strength' of (natural, for a given value of natural) body rather than artificial technology. I foresee logs being his primary source of interaction. But then, I wonder, what will it take for the crazy to be explicitly shown? like, a lot of interaction in TST is likely to be something somewhat similar to the beginning of the party in chapter 24. Which makes me a little wary, because it is a side we don't see much in canon, but it's also a side I can't avoid just because of the nature of the game and the nature of the characters, and I know I'm going to be worried about showing too much of what is, essentially, headcanon if I do end up playing him. Will I end up making him too kiddish? is a worry, because there's this very beautiful balance of cuteness and creepy that canon has without being overtly either.
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OKAY let's have some short Atsuro thoughts. I meant to get these down when I finished his ending, and I might as well get them down while I sort of remember what I thought, just with less references.
Atsuro sseems to have surprisingly low self-confidence, despite everything he says, which is probably why he gets lead around so much in every ending (that I've played anyway) other than his own.
Atsuro, despite often being the one to voice negative possibilities, also seems to have great faith in people ! He still has a rather realistic view, but seems to still believe in them, yup yup !
Also has a(nother) silly side he doesn't show to IRL friends, imo.
Doesn't care that Naoya dicked them around lots, he still is ultimately Atsuro's teacher, and I think Atsuro is really grateful! He certainly doesn't show much sign of hostility, and doesn't seem to feel betrayed by Naoya. He definitely started taking off the rose-coloured glasses. HNGHH I love Atsuro's ending. Really shows how much the 7 days let him grow.
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